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		<title>By: links for 2009-08-10 &#171; innovations in higher education</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lifestream for 2009-04-01 - silverberry.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>lifestream for 2009-04-01 - silverberry.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ric Dragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Dragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Rachel.  All of those issues we face in this context seem to fall into 2 camps - the technical, and the cultural.  The template falls into the technical... and whether is is designed for flexibility is critical... , and then for the various providers of content, creating an environment, or culture, where content can flow in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Rachel.  All of those issues we face in this context seem to fall into 2 camps &#8211; the technical, and the cultural.  The template falls into the technical&#8230; and whether is is designed for flexibility is critical&#8230; , and then for the various providers of content, creating an environment, or culture, where content can flow in.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Cheater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa Cheater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel - thanks for this article (your post about @tsand agreeing/disagreeing brought me to it).  This is strong advice that can be applied even outside of higher ed (although he is rather famous for fragmented sites :) )

On an odd note, one of the few (the only) sites in Canada that have a consistent template through their entire site is the Ontario College of Art &amp; Design (but it helps that they only have two faculties to deal with ... art, and design).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel &#8211; thanks for this article (your post about @tsand agreeing/disagreeing brought me to it).  This is strong advice that can be applied even outside of higher ed (although he is rather famous for fragmented sites <img src='http://doteduguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>On an odd note, one of the few (the only) sites in Canada that have a consistent template through their entire site is the Ontario College of Art &amp; Design (but it helps that they only have two faculties to deal with &#8230; art, and design).</p>
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		<title>By: Fragmented Web Experiences and Frustrated Web Designers</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a great conversation going on at EduGuru on the topic of &#8220;outliers&#8221;.  Reining in the outliers for a university-wide cohesive Web presence &#8230;Along they way they bounce through three additional department Web sites, but the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rachel Reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike McCready I have a part-two post coming Thursday called &quot;Reining in the outliers for a university-wide cohesive social media presence.&quot; :)

I don&#039;t think a student run radio station falls under this umbrella. I don&#039;t think they should use the university-wide template. They should, however, make it clear they&#039;re part of the university, but there are other visual ways to accomplish that. I think the template is best for academic/administrative programs and departments. 

If you don&#039;t have a central Web team, this gets tricky. And messy. Do you have a campus-wide Web committee of some sort? The academic courseware team would benefit from using common elements - but are likely dependent on the product they use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike McCready I have a part-two post coming Thursday called &#8220;Reining in the outliers for a university-wide cohesive social media presence.&#8221; <img src='http://doteduguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think a student run radio station falls under this umbrella. I don&#8217;t think they should use the university-wide template. They should, however, make it clear they&#8217;re part of the university, but there are other visual ways to accomplish that. I think the template is best for academic/administrative programs and departments. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have a central Web team, this gets tricky. And messy. Do you have a campus-wide Web committee of some sort? The academic courseware team would benefit from using common elements &#8211; but are likely dependent on the product they use.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McCready</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike McCready</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Rachel.  I think that the branding, messaging and experience should be consistent across the board.  That being said, I think that certain areas like Athletics, Admissions, etc. can have an experience that is set apart from the rest of the experience providing that there is continuity.  At our college we use CMS and have a consistent template across the board but are looking at the possibility of mini-sites to promote various key areas of the college.  These mini-sites would maintain the experience and messaging but provide some variety.

I also think that this &#039;Reining in the outliers&#039; could be applied to social networks to ensure consistent messaging and branding is applied to Facebook, Twitter, etc.

My question I would like to pose is this: How to you handle the reining in when the product is considered an academic product (i.e. a student run radio station) and is being developed outside the web team by the academic courseware team?

Great comments by the way and I&#039;ll be passing this on :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Rachel.  I think that the branding, messaging and experience should be consistent across the board.  That being said, I think that certain areas like Athletics, Admissions, etc. can have an experience that is set apart from the rest of the experience providing that there is continuity.  At our college we use CMS and have a consistent template across the board but are looking at the possibility of mini-sites to promote various key areas of the college.  These mini-sites would maintain the experience and messaging but provide some variety.</p>
<p>I also think that this &#8216;Reining in the outliers&#8217; could be applied to social networks to ensure consistent messaging and branding is applied to Facebook, Twitter, etc.</p>
<p>My question I would like to pose is this: How to you handle the reining in when the product is considered an academic product (i.e. a student run radio station) and is being developed outside the web team by the academic courseware team?</p>
<p>Great comments by the way and I&#8217;ll be passing this on <img src='http://doteduguru.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Seth Meranda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Meranda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of an institution (unl.edu) that went through this process in 2006, the best advice I can convey is the phrase from Teddy Roosevelt: &quot;Speak softly and carry a big stick.&quot;

We presented on this at HighEdWeb 2007, you can find out presentation at: http://wdn.unl.edu/downloads/20071016_hewd07.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of an institution (unl.edu) that went through this process in 2006, the best advice I can convey is the phrase from Teddy Roosevelt: &#8220;Speak softly and carry a big stick.&#8221;</p>
<p>We presented on this at HighEdWeb 2007, you can find out presentation at: <a href="http://wdn.unl.edu/downloads/20071016_hewd07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://wdn.unl.edu/downloads/20071016_hewd07.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kati Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kati Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel - great post! SO MANY institutions that struggle with this so I&#039;m bookmarking this to share with them. It&#039;s very frustrating to have to re-familiarize yourself with whatever navigation a department has deemed necessary OR become trapped because there is not a link back to previous tiers (or even the home page).

Can you think of exceptions to this rule? Sometimes institutions have a much more &quot;edgy&quot; admissions site or the graduate school has its own look and feel. Like Todd mentioned, Art is always one that tends to push back on this  because they want it to be a representation of the work they produce. I would definitely have to have my arm twisted hard because I&#039;m not convinced it’s a good approach unless done well...and not by a graduate assistant or whomever who has a knack for HTML and Photoshop. 

I also just noticed the stat you posted that &quot;38% using a site to match them to us like Zinch, MyCollegeOptions, College Board.&quot; Do you think it&#039;s because these sites provide consistency and to the point information? Are institutional sites offering too much info that they go elsewhere to get the basics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel &#8211; great post! SO MANY institutions that struggle with this so I&#8217;m bookmarking this to share with them. It&#8217;s very frustrating to have to re-familiarize yourself with whatever navigation a department has deemed necessary OR become trapped because there is not a link back to previous tiers (or even the home page).</p>
<p>Can you think of exceptions to this rule? Sometimes institutions have a much more &#8220;edgy&#8221; admissions site or the graduate school has its own look and feel. Like Todd mentioned, Art is always one that tends to push back on this  because they want it to be a representation of the work they produce. I would definitely have to have my arm twisted hard because I&#8217;m not convinced it’s a good approach unless done well&#8230;and not by a graduate assistant or whomever who has a knack for HTML and Photoshop. </p>
<p>I also just noticed the stat you posted that &#8220;38% using a site to match them to us like Zinch, MyCollegeOptions, College Board.&#8221; Do you think it&#8217;s because these sites provide consistency and to the point information? Are institutional sites offering too much info that they go elsewhere to get the basics?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I went to an Art dept site and it looked like this (http://www.newpaltz.edu/schoolofbusiness) then &quot;University X&quot; would be off my short list, no matter how many times they went to the Final Four.  Just sayin, my opinion, feel free to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I went to an Art dept site and it looked like this (<a href="http://www.newpaltz.edu/schoolofbusiness" rel="nofollow">http://www.newpaltz.edu/schoolofbusiness</a>) then &#8220;University X&#8221; would be off my short list, no matter how many times they went to the Final Four.  Just sayin, my opinion, feel free to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prospective students, certainly undergrads, don&#039;t think or talk in terms of attending the art department or the business department (according to our research and my own personal experience). They think and talk in terms of attending &quot;the University of X&quot;- the totality of the school which not only includes the program of study, but also the social aspects, sports, surrounding area, housing, etc. We find they prefer a universal experience because its easier. 

Differentiation can be done through content or linking off to student blogs or other types of unofficial (but related to the university somehow) sites.

Also, an art student may never go to the business school&#039;s site (or any other program of study they&#039;re not interested in) so they&#039;d never notice the similarity in layout/colors/etc. And if they did, so what? Does the fact that a a business and art program website are the same going to result in taking that school out of consideration? I doubt it and our research would support that doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prospective students, certainly undergrads, don&#8217;t think or talk in terms of attending the art department or the business department (according to our research and my own personal experience). They think and talk in terms of attending &#8220;the University of X&#8221;- the totality of the school which not only includes the program of study, but also the social aspects, sports, surrounding area, housing, etc. We find they prefer a universal experience because its easier. </p>
<p>Differentiation can be done through content or linking off to student blogs or other types of unofficial (but related to the university somehow) sites.</p>
<p>Also, an art student may never go to the business school&#8217;s site (or any other program of study they&#8217;re not interested in) so they&#8217;d never notice the similarity in layout/colors/etc. And if they did, so what? Does the fact that a a business and art program website are the same going to result in taking that school out of consideration? I doubt it and our research would support that doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prospective students, certainly undergrads, don&#039;t think in terms of the art department versus the business department (according to our research and my own personal experience). They think in terms of &quot;university X&quot;- the totality of the school which not only includes the program of study, but also the social aspects, sports, surrounding area, housing, etc. We find they prefer a universal experience because its easier. 

Differentiation can be done through content or linking off to student blogs or other types of unofficial (but related to the university somehow) sites.

Also, an art student would ever go to the business school&#039;s site (or any other program of study they&#039;re not interested in) so they&#039;d never notice the similarity in layout/colors/etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prospective students, certainly undergrads, don&#8217;t think in terms of the art department versus the business department (according to our research and my own personal experience). They think in terms of &#8220;university X&#8221;- the totality of the school which not only includes the program of study, but also the social aspects, sports, surrounding area, housing, etc. We find they prefer a universal experience because its easier. </p>
<p>Differentiation can be done through content or linking off to student blogs or other types of unofficial (but related to the university somehow) sites.</p>
<p>Also, an art student would ever go to the business school&#8217;s site (or any other program of study they&#8217;re not interested in) so they&#8217;d never notice the similarity in layout/colors/etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Todd Guess what? We actually don&#039;t disagree completely. See:
http://www.newpaltz.edu/art/foundation
then
http://www.newpaltz.edu/schoolofbusiness

So, you&#039;ve now inspired a follow-up post to this one I&#039;ll have to work on while flying home tomorrow, to justify why I preach what I said in this post, yet have these two examples not support this theory. Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Todd Guess what? We actually don&#8217;t disagree completely. See:<br />
<a href="http://www.newpaltz.edu/art/foundation" rel="nofollow">http://www.newpaltz.edu/art/foundation</a><br />
then<br />
<a href="http://www.newpaltz.edu/schoolofbusiness" rel="nofollow">http://www.newpaltz.edu/schoolofbusiness</a></p>
<p>So, you&#8217;ve now inspired a follow-up post to this one I&#8217;ll have to work on while flying home tomorrow, to justify why I preach what I said in this post, yet have these two examples not support this theory. Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first time EVER... I totally disagree with you.  I enjoy each department having a unique heart beat. I&#039;m not a huge fan of sweets, perhaps that&#039;s why I hate the cookie cutter concept.

If I want to get an Art degree I&#039;m looking for a site that could never ever ever be used for a Business Administration program, just sayin.

Plus, by making it confusing, it gives the future student a taste of what&#039;s to come. I kid, sort of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time EVER&#8230; I totally disagree with you.  I enjoy each department having a unique heart beat. I&#8217;m not a huge fan of sweets, perhaps that&#8217;s why I hate the cookie cutter concept.</p>
<p>If I want to get an Art degree I&#8217;m looking for a site that could never ever ever be used for a Business Administration program, just sayin.</p>
<p>Plus, by making it confusing, it gives the future student a taste of what&#8217;s to come. I kid, sort of.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my major criticism of university sites so I&#039;m glad the topic has come up again. 

Our university is about to launch a site that provides a single experience for prospective students. Of course, as you&#039;ve stated, it&#039;s a monumental task. We have many standalone sites (no one has done a full count, but the number easily exceeds 40) so reigning them in will be an ongoing endeavor. For launch, we&#039;ll only have the foundations of this idea in place. After we get the initial bugs solved, we&#039;ll begin to absorb the academic sites and, over the long term, build similar single experiences for our other major audiences. 

If you want my take on all of this, you can start with a couple of my blog posts:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/why-decentralization-doesnt-work/&quot; title=&quot;Read the post titled Why Decentralization Doesn’t Work&quot;&gt;Why Decentralization Doesn’t Work&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/the-case-for-centralization/&quot;&gt;The Case for Centralization&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/centralization-around-audience/&quot; title=&quot;Read the post Centralization Around Audience&quot;&gt;Centralization Around Audience&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;A href=&quot;http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/11/university-of-denver-re-design-find-a-degree/&quot; title=&quot;Read the post titled A New Take on How to Find a Higher Ed Degree&quot;&gt;A New Take on How to Find a Higher Ed Degree&lt;/a&gt;- this is a screencast of the mechanism we&#039;ve built for prospects to find their degree program. It&#039;s old at this point and has been tweaked a bit in our launch ready version, but the basics are the same.

Aside from the mechanics, the politics to get it enacted have been immense. Even our own team isn&#039;t 100% convinced that the approach will work. And it won&#039;t be pretty at launch. As you might expect, there are lots of cooks, lots of competing agendas, lots of competing goals and so on. Our new site will have holes, but the basic premise will exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my major criticism of university sites so I&#8217;m glad the topic has come up again. </p>
<p>Our university is about to launch a site that provides a single experience for prospective students. Of course, as you&#8217;ve stated, it&#8217;s a monumental task. We have many standalone sites (no one has done a full count, but the number easily exceeds 40) so reigning them in will be an ongoing endeavor. For launch, we&#8217;ll only have the foundations of this idea in place. After we get the initial bugs solved, we&#8217;ll begin to absorb the academic sites and, over the long term, build similar single experiences for our other major audiences. </p>
<p>If you want my take on all of this, you can start with a couple of my blog posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/why-decentralization-doesnt-work/" title="Read the post titled Why Decentralization Doesn’t Work">Why Decentralization Doesn’t Work</a><br />
<a href="http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/the-case-for-centralization/">The Case for Centralization</a><br />
<a href="http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/12/centralization-around-audience/" title="Read the post Centralization Around Audience">Centralization Around Audience</a><br />
<a href="http://www.heavywinter.com/2008/11/university-of-denver-re-design-find-a-degree/" title="Read the post titled A New Take on How to Find a Higher Ed Degree">A New Take on How to Find a Higher Ed Degree</a>- this is a screencast of the mechanism we&#8217;ve built for prospects to find their degree program. It&#8217;s old at this point and has been tweaked a bit in our launch ready version, but the basics are the same.</p>
<p>Aside from the mechanics, the politics to get it enacted have been immense. Even our own team isn&#8217;t 100% convinced that the approach will work. And it won&#8217;t be pretty at launch. As you might expect, there are lots of cooks, lots of competing agendas, lots of competing goals and so on. Our new site will have holes, but the basic premise will exist.</p>
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